Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Bella Watts Autospy Report The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. I feel like maybe she did meet them. The attack was pure power and violence. My question is how do you smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths? Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. didnt attempt it herself. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. Jami I have 1 question for you. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. He failed all 3 questions. I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. think mass gall stones) the bottom line is CW is a Covert Narcissist whose life would enevidably have unraveled at some point as covert express traits thus as a pattern of behavior. (942948) Interview with NK about CW's failing marriagehe badmouthed SW a lot . 3. It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. It kills me because its pretty clear they went to bed like normal and were awoken to find him killing them. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. I wouldnt throw that out the window. C . They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. Correct. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. Read my above post. Said it was part of the decomposition process. This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. This would explain how she didnt fight! I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths. Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. Wanting to know why is simply that wanting to know why. Chris and or others..I tend to agreeShan ann was imodefinitely disabled at some pointBella maybe not..she fought hard. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. No, it doesnt. Thats inaccurate. I think he snapped, pulled her off of Cece punched her in the face to knock her out and then strangled her with one hand. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. With that much free time in the day, she could have gotten a part-time job and brought home real money. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. I am by no means defending him. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. Several life experiences may also have contributed to and promoted OCD-like behaviours in Shanann too the loss of financial control during bankruptcy, divorce, car accident, illness etc all contribute to a person seeking the need for regaining control of their life which can manifest as a place for everything and everything in its place behaviours. August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. 3. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. They are finger prints from his hands. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. I havent seen one statement from anyone who knew her well say she did. He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. Please God Forgive me for everything.. x, Ive said this before. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. I really think that the pregnancy started the whole thing. I dont know why, but I have a deep need (would have never expected this) to discuss what happened, and I need to be honest with my observations. A monster! For example, someone with OCD could have the thought that if they dont touch a doorknob a certain number of times an exact way, they will get a disease. Ditto who died first and last. I think His story is believable. He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. Scares me honestly. Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. It was the early hours of the morning, she was pregnant, fed up with airport holdups and storms, and tired. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Same with NK. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. Chris probably told shannan that shed never see the kids again.. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. Even if they appear to be dead or as the agent in this case said decapitated you call & plead for someway to help fix them. He didnt flip. dirty murderer! Page 463 No. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities have released the autopsy reports for Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts, who were murdered by Christopher Watts in August. Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. Very hard to think a dad can do that but my ex just turned, didnt want any of his family anymore and still has very little contact for the past 8 years. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. Not whether you or most people would or wouldnt do that do you think Shanann was the type of person to do that? If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? Specifically, the region of your brain that controls the muscles that hold your sphincter closed becomes incapacitated following death. Powered by. How did Shanann Watts die? In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) How dare you blame the victim? CeCe was face down no oil inside her. He was asleep. Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. Face? Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. Theres plenty of liqueurs that are very well hidden in frozen shakes etc. Fecal traces also missing in the Zahau case. After 2nd child, changed. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. No sign of that either. I actually don't understand this and would think the opposite would actually be true. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. Utter Rubbish! I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. Hes asked what happened after Shannan was dead he says he carried her to their room and put her back into bed. She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. She also wanted to make her marriage work. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. Then he felt he had to kill CeCe too. I agree with you Jessica Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. Then again she was dressed for bed. The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. Page 535 I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. He added Shannan in as an after thought, or Shannanor my wife Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. Also, in the 2-4 minutes it took him to kill Shannan, this father who would never hurt his kids, never looked at the visible baby bump and thought Im killing the baby too, I need to stop. Neither of them passed any body fluids. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. RIP Angels. 2. This was the last time she was seen alive. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. Rude person. Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. You can pooh-pooh OCD if its not you, but OCD especially for someone with a chronic disease tends to be quite significant. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. https://jcp.bmj.com/content/54/5/348, This is why Shanann had no defensive injuries, and this technique would account for everything in her autopsy, from blood alcohol/ethanol levels to an unbroken hyoid bone Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. Thanks for making the reports public. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. The breast get sore , and large during pregnancy, and for me at least, it was more comfortable to have them supported and padded. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. Celestes was similar. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. Maybe body positioning and gravity? The ground was visible disturbed. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. Chris Watts advised that blankets and stuffed animals were left by the sheet which was near Shananns grave. A tee-shirt and undies is a Sleeping Uniform for many women, another fact. I think she was going to do what most of us who suspect our man of cheating would do, see who the server was, and go to the restaurant with a pic of Chris & ask who he was in there with. She was relatively YOUNG. Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. And dropped her in alive? Thanks! My opinion, when Nicole Atkinson said Shanann was OCD, I think she was using the term loosely, as a description, not a diagnosed disorder. Have you interviewed anyone for your books? Some people never saw. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! Chris was ocd also. Mark your theory makes a lot of sense. No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. 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