God Bless, Do Catholics get better seats in heaven than the Protestants? Jimmy, please close the comments! Perhaps we should go above and beyond on showing him the love Christ demands This is why the same man who wants you to call him Dr. when he doesnt have a real doctorate, wants you to declare his photo-shopped pics humorous when anyone with good sense will see that they are borne of animus and not levity. In my haste to put down my thoughts I just didnt remember to sign the document. However, I have every confidence youll find a way to excuse that behavior. Sandy, Short answer, because Christ Himself gave the Church authority. Par for the course. Here, you will be able to see that both the symbols for alpha and omega are inked using curved lines and dots, along with some solid black shading. Im glad to hear God led you through! Lordship Salvation Heresy. Tech Street1:P.O. What did you tell it? And, why it is not clear to all of us who seek Gods will? He has contributed to more than twenty books. It doesnt matter, because the consequences of losing the argument are disaster. We are not Sola Scriptura, but that does not mean that we do not believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God. So youre saying that you would consider (lets say) a racial slur acceptable so long as it wasnt intended as serious even by its author? Characterize it pejoratively as such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though When I decided to obey Christs call for me to follow him into the Catholic Church I said that When I discovered that the pope agreed with all of my theology and teaching I had discovered in the Bible, I felt it better that I go with the group that had been reflecting on those teachings for almost 2000 years. All other points aside whether the admonishing was truly needed or not is irrelevant. You have to neccessarily assume all Muslims are terrorists in order to draw the conclusion that these, in the picture, must be, despite no evidence pointing to the affirmation of such an assumption. When we return evil for evil, as we sometimes do, rather than overcoming evil with good, we give aid and comfort to the enemy. 16:18) Whites parting shots are: The Catholic Church is founded on the Apostles, to whom Our Lord gave the commission to baptize Matt. hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful OK, Lisa. The Teaching of Polycarp CareBear, The intellectual answers will come in time, but theres another aspect to consider as well. Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church (Matt. Foxfire, Perhaps you should take the plunge too Esau. as in: SINstitute and Bob Jones PANTSiversity) who say they prefer and mainly use If you are wrong about Sola Scriptura, then you are in a state of rebellion against Jesus Christ. Do this and you will live. Ill fix your quote for you. Funny The point is irrationality not hate. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. . Jimmy was born in Texas, grew up nominally Protestant, but at age 20 experienced a profound conversion to Christ. Think about this way: what if, in reply to the doctrine of inspiration, an unbeliever were to say to us: its either God or man; it cant be both. Or is it all about the win? it wasnt a smear at all, but rather a big (and possibly willful) misunderstanding by S o, e ven though believers today are not under the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15), the fact that there was a command against tattoos should raise some questions. The Revelation of Elias His blog is accessible, worldwide, not merely to his friends. I apologize, especially to Dr. White and to CareBear, for the heavy-handedness of my post above. Its an ironic display of hypocrisy, which has been successfully illustrated in the controversial pictures. Thats all very interesting, and Im sure God knows whos winning the ad hominem war, but it bores me to tears and I have no time for it. Both the symbols are beautifully interlinked, but can still be differentiated quite easily. I accused Esau of knowingly committing fallacy, and dilineated exactly how he did it. Jimmy on the other hand is just plain good person. If someone wishes to call me a disciple of White in any sense, he or she needs to realize that such is an ad hominem retort and not worth the electrons it took to display it, when it comes to the arena of critical dialogue. 3. Essau, what are you talking about? And like a college student, you assume that we should all just roll over because you use big words like universal, particular, and logical fallacy. Did The Early Church Believe in a Papacy? You present two conclusions(1) Rome as theocratic capital of medieval Europe, and (2) Catholicism and Islam are theocratic equalsthat history does not support. Beyond that, personally and this is only my opinion -I think that you and White have gotten so tangled up in intellectualism and multi-syllable words that youve lost sight that Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus and the Father and Holy Spirit. But all available evidence is that inconsistency has nothing to do with his annoyance. If you want discussion on the real issues, cut the drama. And the illogic of sola scriptura is so simple: Its not in the scriptures. The Book of Shemaiah the Prophet[10] Is Homosexuality Consistent with Biblical Christianity? He has crossed a fundamental line that shows himself to be incapable of holding a rational discussion. Thank you, Donald Casadonte. Thats CareBears very first sentence on this thread. First you assert there is no reason, then you observe it could be done to discredit Catholics. Dont you?. The person who Thats painfully difficult to square with a heretofore-unrevealed admiration for any aspect of the mans argument. From there, the posters here committed the category error of applying that likening to ALL Roman Catholics. Esau, Why did I choose to follow the pope? In his commentary on St. John, in Ch 16, he says this: Anathema to those who spurn the teachings of the holy Fathers and the tradition of the holy Catholic Church, taking as a pretext and making their own the arguments of Arius, Nestorius, Eutyches, and Dioscorus, that unless we were evidently taught by the Old and New Testaments, we should not follow the teachings of the holy Fathers and of the holy Ecumenical Synods, and the tradition of the Catholic Church (The Council of Nicea 787, Acts of Session I). If you are interested in capturing true Greek essence on your skin, then this design may surely spark your interest. Some of you choose not to read White, too bad, youre about to. But we on the outside can see the similitude. In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. deanswife, only if you know the secret handshake. While most are happy with the fly, there are still many of us waiting for the elephant to be addressed. James Robert White is a Baptist theologian, [1] the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, an evangelical Reformed Baptist Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona and a Christian scholar. (And he does, for other things.) Seriously, its like someone googled logical fallacies and just started sprinkling them into their accusations. I think he just lost a lot of people. You are not in a position to offer any sort of informed criticism. I was responding to a post by Carebear. I am fond of what talk radio host Dennis Prager holds as one of his key goals on his show: I prefer clarity over agreement. May it be so for us as well. Take care and God bless, Either way, it works. When did you authoritatively establish what His revelation is? The Calvinist Club, Sola Scriptura, Purgatory, Purgatory: 1 Corinthians 3 and Tim Staples, Art Sippo on 1 Corinthians 3 and Purgatory, Called to Cyprian Responding to Anders Historical Error, The Audio for the Marian Dogmas Debate has been Posted, Top Ten Reasons NOT to Join the Roman Catholic Church. And how binding is a modern fatwa? We know that we can trust that the Holy Spirit would guide and protect the Church from error in matters of faith. During the recent debate between Dr. James White and Dr. Peter Van Kleeck, there was a brief discussion about Matthew 5:18 and the meaning of jot and tittle. The counterpart is stunned silent at first. Ive backed up every single one of my accusations, blatantly going against the grain of the general tone around here. And I think this is where White is coming from too. So much for the perspicuity of Scripture. Admin Street1:P.O. I got a notification on my phone about an article posted by my daughter Summer, so I opened it up and began to read. Every word they said, every thing they touched, was holy; their bodies had to be preserved and filed past in reverential silence. I dont even agree with him fully, and *I* respect that class. If defending against the irrational, overly-emotional, cry-wolf attitude of ten or twelve fanbois makes you ashamed to be a Christian, you need to seriously ask yourself some questions. And St. Cyprian in the third century wrote: Whoever is separated from the Church is separated from the promises of Christ One cannot have God as a Father who has not the Church as his mother. God is not impressed by sophistry and manipulative actions. Perhaps you should consider these verses: Registrant Name:to attn. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 10, 2007 10:18:26 AM If not, why do you read Hebrews, you dont know who it was revealed to at what time without a doubt. Even sinful man has movements of the spirit that require our respect. What I am saying is that if a person thought it was somehow funny to use them, and responded belligerently when told that constitutes poor judgment, I certainly wouldnt try to discuss the finer points of race relations with him. This from the person who called Esau a liar. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 10, 2007 2:01:32 PM. The debate Mr Akin says is now over never started because he refuses to debate Dr White in any substantive manner and has for some time. This could constitute a rejection of Christ and His gospel (again according to the believer) and therefore de-Christianizes the saved who falls away from grace (or prove that the person was never saved in the first place, according to Calvinism which was not taught at my Baptist church). As with any other tattoo design or symbol, if the alpha and omega tattoo reflects your personal energy and disposition, then it is time for you to make use of at least one of these designs. CareBear, ChurchMouse, of Lordship Salvation, which requires a person to follow Christ (discipleship) Mainly focused upon the question of where Reformed Baptists will go in 2023 when it comes to the Neo-Thomist Revival, prompted by comments on line regarding Thomas, Van Til, and Bahnsen. The first sentence relates to your secret, private revelation as to what you think I was saying. I give up. Blessed Redeemer Registrant ID:DI_471115 Anybody (other than Catholic Anwers) can seize and own a url??? Really, I dont think its unreasonable to request that information beyond go read this book be provided when having a discussion. Name Server: But that could be topic for a whole nother thread. * Carebear and Lane, Jimmys analysis of Dr. Id appreciate an apology. Dont make the mistake of assuming I hold the same low standard as you. This applies to both sides in every situation. I believe that if he did something to those who were to succeed him, passing the torch, so to speak, that those who took the torch could then pass it on. Jimmy can admit a mistake; I dont know whether James can. Hopefully his understanding of history will fair better. (Two concepts you would do well to look into developing in yourself). I was unaware that such a thing implicates the entirety of Roman Catholicism because Im not into committing categorical errors. All this depends on whether you draw the line at liturgy, church hierarchy, the definition of salvation, the efficacy of grace, and the role of human free will. (But what a nice thread it would make, hint hint). shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought I refuse to read anything to substantiate a belief in Scripture Alone, especially since Rome says there wasnt a definitive list of authentic scriptures. Finally, these photos seem to me to be on the level of what you see on supermarket tabloid covers funny despite their offensiveness, but in a way that does not reflect particularly well on their creators and sponsors. Glorious Lord. Youre right that we will still be here despite any maltreatment. CareBear: Box 37106 Sounds familiar, eh? Thanks, Jeremiah. Just food for thought Dont you? Esau, as a limited human, do you have the capacity to consider ALL of the evidence? Dr. James White & Keith Giles, First Lutheran Church, 1311 Holman St., Houston, Texas 77004, The Death of Joseph Ratzinger, the Eternal Covenant in the London Baptist Confession, New Year Laws in California Show Deep Commitment to the Culture of Death, What Every Christian Needs to Know About the Quran, The Textus Receptus as the Word of God is Equal to the New Testament Autographs. MY HEAD HURTS. We, depending of context and abilities/gifts, use the appropriate skills, for the task at hand. Here you will find the three episodes in order compiling a full five hours of response. I think that has us beat. It would have been wrong and far worse to have pictures of people who are obviously Catholic holding up such signs. My parents and loved ones dont blindly follow the work of an internet apologist, regarding him and his work with blind fervor and zeal, hypocritically asking for things that they themselves dont offer. In that respect, I think White is right to say Do these folks really think that lying about me, slamming what I have written without showing the first bit of knowledge of it is supposed to attract me to this religion? Everybody here knows hes lashing out irrationally, and right or wrong, theres no reason to be an occasion of sin by provocation. The hints of purple and yellow also add a dash of vibrance to the design. When you gulp down the unexamined assertions of any one-true-agent-of-God-on-earth organization, you will begin to stumble down a very dark and threatening path. For example, when Jimmy Akin has stated something incorrectly on a post, youll still find the original statement he made there and that it had only been redlined out (so-to-speak) with the appropriate corrected statement featured above the original one. Good read, if youre allowed. Eric Judging from the actions of White himself, he disagrees with you. It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. LOL at that one! Out of your long post, I found the following nugget of gold that cuts through everything else here and goes to the heart of the matter. righteousness of God, which is without works of any sort, But to him It is my hope that Catholics and Protestants can converse without all the rancour that Ive seen since I started blogging in October 2006. Plenty of people died for their religion during and after the Reformation. What would you say if I told you that the only logical response to that quoted statement was that you had obviously not never listened to White at all? I despise James White and think he writes at the level of a college Sophomore (maybe a little better), but the pictures didnt offend me. Organizations that do that are not functionally Christian; they have denied the faith, have denied Christ Himself. *bows* Thats enough for me. Churchmouse??? Ive backed up every single one of my accusations If you have read at all, I already showed how I believe God used the church body to reveal divine canon to us. Therehappy? Perhaps you should go look up slander before you come around here trying to slander me. Jimmy, when you take stupid things seriously, you yourself look stupid. The Book of the Wars of the Lord This is the water cooler where people chat with each other about whatever theyve a mind to. Do they not apply, or are you choosing to ignore them in order to post another gotcha! by claiming that were not responding? They are compromised and pulling on the same rope as the Devil. But from Genesis to Revelations, the Bible is full of nothing but story after story of God using His creation to help us, His created, come closer to Him. 2. 2. So you should be thankful for the checks-and-balances provided by those of us outside your walls. Even I, in this post, strayed into personal insult (and I apologize to Dr. White for those), but I will leave them to illustrate my point. Many have said already: Whites actions are designed to deliberately repel the very same people he seeks to convert. Books of Chronicles I just pray no one looks to him to see a reflection of Christs attitude. Or should the followers of the Prince of Lies not be held accountable for their underhanded deeds??? White debates on these very subjects yet I havnt seen someone raise their hand and say I listened to him and hes full of hot air and heres why. I am the LORD" (Leviticus 19:28). You have to expect to encounter such things with fallen human nature what it is. For that matter, it might have been nice if you mentioned that I told you where the information could be found. Not just as Catholics but also as devout Christians. Joe: Bob, youre a S***head M********** and so is your mother! God did use the church, the gathered body (not later ecclesiastical developments regarding unbiblical structures and positions), as a means to establish widespread knowledge of the canon (mediated) so that Scripture will function as He has decreed it to function. He cites from patristic sources regularly. Luke and his wife of over seventeen years, Cheryl, have two daughters Evangeline Grace and Eliana Faith. In fact, most laws are made-up in the most basic sense. Admin Email:whois-protected2@mapname.com If you have a productive discussion point, then please state it. 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It is a thing and gnostic thing were his words. So, if you are in search of a compact alpha omega tattoo then why not try out this design? This is precisely what I was talking about when I mentioned a disgusting implication of moral equivalency where in fact none exists. About View all posts by Jimmy Akin. AND, weve come full circle. So I wandered into a little restaurant/pub type place near my hotel in Sydney this afternoon to grab a bite to eat. Gee, CareBear, werent you paying attention to my comments??? In the old days, saying really offensive and stupid things to someone might get you decked. From what I gather Jimmy Akin isnt claiming to win the debate because of the merits of his argument. However, an en masse mailing would be counter-productive for at least two reasons I can think of. Would it be unnatural to feel offended and react to that offense in such an emotional manner? The Confressions, chapter 12 The Voice as of a Child. As a Protestant, I use them all the time as references. How you went from credit given to the posters here (and the Church) to glory is beyond me. So much for the Law of Non-Contradiction!!! bill912, I praise You Lord Jesus and magnify Your Name above all names. He has been married to Kelli for more than thirty-seven years, and has two children, and four grandchildren. Thats a rather large base assumption, since I cant call to mind a single supporter of White who showed up without insult, but *even given that* you are highly incorrect. Like I said earlier, jamesrwhite.org was registered 6 days ago.when was the start of this bruhaha? I believe in a rational God. Friends, The foundation of the certainty of our knowledge of the canon is based upon Gods purposes in giving Scripture, not upon the alleged authority of any ecclesiastical body. Above, youll find an excerpt I have posted in reply to Esau trying to pull an old trick on me. 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