I always keep a spare coil in my trunk.. I had a 2012 Honda pilot. The proposed class action settlement was preliminarily approved by U.S. District Judge Susan Illston on Oct. 9, 2013. CarKiller.com copyright 2020 all rights reserved. I recently brought my car in for the last Oil consumption reading and it was found that the engine burned at least 2 quarts in less than 1200 miles. I went to them several times and they said it was a computer problem. Have owned Hondas since 1998. Pretty stupid for a vehicle only a few years old. I took it into the dealer and the mechanic quickly recognized it as an engine problem and bet me I was out of oil. It is only cylinders 1-4(because they are the ones that are shut down during ECO). We just now are having engine misfires to the tune of $3300. Lo and behold 30 minutes later at the dealer it was only down .5 quart and my engine was deemed to be okay and passed the engine consumption test. I'm terrified to have it happen to me againbeing on a busy interstate when my van starts losing power and is difficult to maneuver. But they only chose to do the repair that way because it guaranteed them that dealers would be rid of unhappy customers after exactly one visit and not because it was mechanically necessary. I have had misfire and jerking but the salesman told me that it was normal with ESO so how will I be able to get the extended warranty in the event my problems are just beginning. The problem: Piston rings may rotate and align in certain Honda cars. RAM, OLSON, CEREGHINO & KOPCZYNSKI, Lawrence Deutsch It is mandatory to procure user consent prior to running these cookies on your website. The VCM Megathread - what is VCM, does my vehicle have VCMTuner II (Google their website - it's a direct order), S-VCM controller (Google their website - it's a direct order). Same issue! I just had my 2008 EX-L 4 cylinder with less then 81K rebuilt for this exact issue. It involved with the removing of the valve cover and adjusted all intake and replaced engine spark plugs not sure if this is related to the misfire and whether or not this is eligible for the reimbursement based on the misfire (no code on the invoice, so I have to look into it with the dealership). I have a 2011 Honda Pilot they unfortunately had the piston rings issue that was common for the model. I absorbed the lousy brake issues but now this is really pissing me off! To receive full compensation for your vehicle repairs, Class Members must submit a valid Claim Form with a copy of an original repair invoice or receipt plus proof of payments for repairs or replacement of parts on a Settlement Class Vehicle by April 10, 2014. 10. The diagnosis was cylinder 3 misfire, an apparent Honda problem and one that Ive had fixed once before on this same car at the dealership where I bought the car. I took it to the dealership and they told me it was cylinders 1 and 2 that were misfiring. I did the same thing as the previous time I had a cylinder misfire problem and signed a paper stating I would pay $115 for the check engine light diagnostic if it is not covered by warranty. BTW Have you found out what compliance bushings do? Remember this is the 2011 Odyssey that had the piston rings replaced via warranty in August 2015 at 42,826 miles, and then same issue again in May 2021 at 123,000 miles. And, Im adding 1qt oil every 750 to 1000 miles. It was down 2 quarts the first time and only .5 quart the second time. Recent Posts Unread Posts Tags, Forum Icons: I finished driving home (about 7 miles) and had it towed to the dealer. SAME issue, but not included. I have a 2011 Odyssey with around 87,000 miles on it. If you find out, let me know!! Ive owned 5 Odysseys, 2 Accords, 2 Acura Integras, 1 Acura Vigor, 1 Honda RIdgeline, 1 Honda CBR, 1 Honda lawnmower. My Honda Pilot just presented with the misfiring issue for the first time. https://topclassactions.com/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php, UPDATE: Reimbursements from the Honda Engine Misfire Class Action Settlement, Honda Engine Misfire Class Action Lawsuit Settlement, http://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/23055-honda-engine-misfire-class-action-settlement-gets-final-ok/, Abbott baby formula recall lawsuit investigation, American Tuna false advertising class action lawsuit investigation. I will never buy another one of your products!!! The service centers will NOT do any repairs unless the trouble code lights are on. I have garaged it at the same address since that day. I dont really feel tight trying to sell car outright know the potential of whats about to go wrong . I notice a after a thousand miles after a oil change it burnt a QT of oil and the gas mileage went from 25 mpg to 20 mpg. A recent new event was in trying to accelerate from a stop light, engine bucked so violently that lost steering control and entire car bounced up and down. I have the same problem on my 2012 Honda Odyssey. They (Boch Honda Norwood Ma) just told me i have massive interior engine damage. where and who can fix the problems. They also diagnosed the car with misfires due to fouled spark plugs. Took to Honda dealer and code returned issue with a misfire in cylinder #3 due to a piston ring failure. Document everything, bring it back to the dealer and have them check your oil every 1000 miles. American Honda Motor Co. has agreed to a class action lawsuit settlement over claims it manufactured defective Accord vehicles that burn oil too quickly. VCMuzzler II to Disable / muzzle VCM on Honda Acura vehicles VCM Muzzler delete | eBay. Pilot, Odyssey well, it appears that Honda put oil filled bushings in the front end suspension that isolated engine vibration from the front suspension. My question is, will this fix be a long term one or just a temporary fix until some other piston rings quit? This sounds like because of the oil burning to quickly. Please object to the settlement as it is feel-good wording. We see that there was the recall for the piston rings and updating the pcm but my van no longer falls under this warranty. I was notified about 2 different recalls: one for the airbag and one for the shift lever and immediately took it in and had it fixed. I now have this loaner car for a week now and they dont know how long it will take to get the car fixed. At first, I appreciated them for not cheating me or charging me for an unnecessary repair, but now after reading this article, I think their just trying to avoid a repair they know theyd be responsible for. I bought a 2007 Honda Fit; I have had to change the spark plugs so many times Ive lost count. It is going to the dealer for tests, but I am concerned that the problem will not be resolved before my warranty is up. I have a new 2013 Pilot with 5000 miles , have had no problems yet , Do I sign up for this class action to offset future costs ? You should receive a letter from the manufacturer if your car has been recalled. We struggled to make the dealership file a claim and pursue Honda USA for a new motor. Anyone have luck getting one? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Top Class Actions is a Proud Member of the American Bar Association, Various Trademarks held by their respective owners. You must contact the The dealer finally agreed to fix the car, saying something is wrong with the piston rings and I dont have to pay a cent for the fix. Thank you for the help! Consider going beyond the local dealer and present this issue to Hondas USA headquarters. While I did dig up my past maintenance invoices, and I did spend about $1200 fixing/replacing both crush washers and torqued both drain. My car is in the shop for repairs and Im carless. Every vehicle has a unique 17-character Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) that contains information about that vehicle. Paid for spark plugs to be replaced and dont know how long that will last. After having it two months spark plugs started going out, it was using excessive oil, and the engine was misfiring all the time. I am done with Honda. I have been looking online to find anything about only cylinders 1-4 being covered but havent came across anything. Check vin number; phone 888-888-3082. I do not trust anything the dealership says about my 2012 Honda Crosstour. I feel they got a slap on the wrist and we pay dearly for it. However in the past 18 months it has been burning about 2.5 to 3 quarts of oil about every 5,000 miles when I change the oil and filter. Honda has decided not to honour its own product so I can no longer support them. My frustration is with the dealership in not answering questions and saying, It should be ready in a few days several times and the days have taken weeks. Im so stinking mad..they better do something about my fees or Im going to give Honda LOTS of free press.and it wont be good!! Honda will voluntarily recall 120 Odyssey vehicles and 150 Pilot vehicles from the 2013 model-year in the United States to replace the engine short block, free of charge. It seems the lawyers are the only one rich of these suits and poor customers of products are left in the dark to defend for themselves, I too have the check engine light flashing, VSA, Triangle and I had to have it fixed my self with a total out of pocket cost $606. They will tell you that you need a timing belt. Assuming this all works as expected and you are happily driving your van again, bear in mind that it can happen again unless you also use a 'maintenance' additive that will keep it clean. There should not be a time limit since its continuing to happen. V. American honda motor co., Inc., Case no. The quote to perform the work is $3500. He then told me I was outside the deadline, and still need to pay the diagnostic bill of $166. Bought 09 accord 2 years ago. I have 16 Honda pilot misfire number 1 I replaced spark plugs oem steel had that problem misfire number 1. We bought our 2013 odyssey used in 2016. There goes my time being wasted!! Im having the same problems with my 2009 honda odyssey. I have been mulling over my options for two weeks now. Well this job is not a recall. I just want to ensure that if i donothing, that a warranty extension will automatically be in force, protecting my vehicle for a period of time. possibly the most discussed issue/topic on this forum. I have children, Im paying double rent for a car that does not work. 2008 accord exl v-6 w/30k miles purchased 2009 w/8k miles. that reports on class action lawsuits, class action settlements, The work being done for your Honda is a type of major engine repair. I was told by Honda that they will only pay 50% to repair my 2013 Honda pilot. The same thing has just happened again. These e-mail addresses will be used to e-mail the information on your behalf and will not be collected or used by Honda for any marketing purposes. Engine in our 2012 Pilot locked up this week. What can we do? Cardinal Honda in Groton, Connecticut told me I would need a junk yard engine or new plugs to get by temporarily after finding code PO301. v. American Honda Motor Co. Inc., Case No. A little tutorial might help. I cant help it, that my cars warning lights came on, after the expiration date, on the warranty. About 5 months ago, my engine light started blinking and the car started driving weird. Read up about VCMuzzler, no side effects of it. If the person at the dealership who told you that the valve, or valves, were damaged due to oil consumption and plug fouling then they are dead wrong. I spoke with Hondas customer relations office and the dealer. I went to my dealeship with all the documentation of what I was finding online, the lawsuit had not been settled yet. Im not leaking anything, but if I dont check the oil regularly, Im certain Im going to damage the engine. 2011 Honda Pilot misfiring. I decided to disable it as a 2007 Odyssey Touring - Silver, Depaxed | VCMTuner II, Seems like you are saying the same thing as. For anyone having this issue it may be worth calling them to see if anything can be done even if the warranty extension has expired. Use your VIN or plate to find out. Honda will voluntarily recall 120 Odyssey vehicles and 150 Pilot vehicles from the 2013 model-year in the United States to replace the engine short block, free of charge. the engine light came back as cylinder number 6 misfire. Under an extended powertrain warranty progRam, Honda has agreed to replace spark plugs and clean affected piston rings to correct an engineering fault. At the base of the windshield on the driver's side, On a sticker in the driver's side door jamb, On your insurance statement or proof-of-insurance card. And, the oil after a couple 100 miles is black and smells burnt. Waiting until engine blows up and they have to replace under extended warranty I purchased when I bought this car in fall of 2014. Sometimes it takes longer to get approval for a warranty repair then it does to perform the repair. Hello did anyone help you with this problem. Had the motor replaced as a result of the piston ring issue/failure in 2021. Hard to trust them now!! Try our virtual chat tool. Dealer said they can not fixed and recommend to buy new van. This is clearly still an ongoing issue with newer model Honda vehicles. Please let me know how you get your issue resolved with Honda because im having the exact same problem. They advised it was from the oil getting into the combustion chamber just like the V6s. Sounds like I should trade it in for 2014 ? Did Honda cover the cost of the repair for the cat? Private Crooks. Was told by dealer too late to repair under warranty even though I bought less than 2 years ago. Not so sure what the software update did other than kick the can down the road. The first time it was misfiring, I took it to a shop and they fixed it. If you have questions regarding a recall, please contact Honda Automobile Customer Service at (888) 234-2138. I am wondering if this issue has anything to do with the piston ring failure that caused the motor to have to be replaced. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Engine burns small amount of oil, down about a pint at the next oil change. I just had work done 1 month ago & was told the car is fine now.. & without warning 4 different engine & OIL lights came on & car started putting.. Took it to the dealer and pointed out that in 2018 they noted that if the code came back they would need to do procedure B which is the piston ring replacement. My car was diagnosed with the same issue by a Toyota dealer today and I plan to take it to an Honda dealer tomorrow and cant wait to hear what they will say. A federal judge has granted final approval to a massive class action lawsuit settlement between American Honda Motor Co. and more than 1.87 million consumers who owned or leased a Honda Accord, Odyssey, Pilot, or Crosstour. 2012 odyssey 42,000 miles. But I think we should start another class action lawsuit against Honda, because Ill be damned if Im going to pay $4000 for a ring job and another $300 for a computer upgrade. So, as long as I keep the van I will have to replace every year? I have noticed that my van doesn't seem to accelerate well. Warranty has been extended 8 years on the affected vehicles. The car runs perfect still. (I felt they know whats going on because I went to autozone for a code read the misfire code was still there). I agree! My car is currently with dealer price quoted $4200 for piston (back base or something). I have filed a claim with Honda Corp and wAiting to hear back . 1st time replaced plugs, 2nd time was told it was a bad injector, this time they told me to take to Honda cause of the recall. Diag. I thought that was fishy and really thought it when they told me that I had to have a total of 4 now (they would take an average). We will see. What about those of us who have 4-cylinder engines? I wish they would just pay for it to be fixed. v. Honda Motor Co. Inc.) alleging that Honda manufactured more than 1.5 million defective vehicles that excessively burned oil. This is word for word (by text) what the service guy told me: The cylinder head had damage engine valves we sent off the cylinder head to machine shop to make sure the cylinder head was okay and is not damaged we are going to have to replace the valve and once everything is installed by the machine shop we will install the cylinder head back onto the motor and everything should be okay.. Honda is now below Kia in my book. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It was down a quart. Thanks. My car was dropped off with an appointment on July 16, but I dont know how long it sat before the diagnosis, etc. The only thing that I positively know is that the car was fine and then all of a sudden it starts misfiring, spitting out codes for 4, 5, and 6, and I have a loss of compression. The 6cyl refers to the Crosstour only. The car somehow ran beautiful for the first month (maybe) & its been un drivable & had to be towed to a shop several times (at least 4 including now, as of yesterday?) I am so irritated with them. Not what they did to fix what the problem caused. Replace the plugs, put a bottle of injector cleaner in the tank and fill with top tier Premium gas. My next stop is to try VCM muzzler solution. Find your nearest Honda dealer. dealership repair to replace rings on 3 cylinders 2300. I will also be asking for a history printout to show, weve been in, several times, and no one brought this to our attention. And this does extend my powertrain warranty for 8 years due to the qualifying code for misfire. Isnt this illegal?? This warranty covers any defects or malfunctions in your new VCMuzzler II. I took it to the dealer and they said it had the above misfire issue and great news I have this amazing FREE extra warranty that will cover all the repair costs, but it will NOT cover the diagnostic evaluation for $100 and the rental car for $40 plus tax per day. They will replace the short block if you can prove that your car is burning more than a qt of oil in 1000 miles. NOW ON MY THIRD STRIKE. Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. And if the issue with the engine is a misfire then I would not have to pay nothing. Misfired from July 2013 until Feb 2014 with multiple visits to Honda before They repaired under class action. I owned a 2009 Honda Pilot EX-L and just recently experiences the problem while driving in constant speed around 60 and then the engine light went flashing. I think I've done 25-30 of these piston/rings cars and they are not bad to do. Anyone have suggestions as to plan of action? Either Sta-Bil 360 or Startron - I favor the Startron after using Sta-Bil for years. santa monica dealer (purchased from) service stated it was normal back in 2009 (service told me they adjusted valves, tried swapping coil/plug, check vacuum leak,). my 2004 Honda Odyssey would do his on its own, up 20mph 60mph even continued while I had the brakes to the floor !! 3:12-Cv-1377-si (n.D. IF THIS HAPPENS TO YOU INSIST ON THE SERVICE MANAGER UPFRONT AND REQUEST THE MOST EXPERIENCED MECHANIC ON STAFF. The #3 spark plug fouled again, having me limp (on what seemed like 2 cylinders) to a dealership while travelling. I now have a bill for >$800 for their replacement as the bushings rubber cracked and the oil leaked out. 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